January 11, 2025

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg attends the Meta Connect event on September 25, 2024 in Menlo Park, California.

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Yuan CEO Mark Zuckerberg slams rival tech giants apple In a lengthy podcast interview on Friday, he expressed dissatisfaction with lackluster innovation efforts and “random rules.”

“On one hand, (the iPhone) is great because now almost everyone in the world has a phone, and that makes some amazing things possible,” Zuckerberg said on the show. “The Joe Rogan Experience.” “But on the other hand… they’ve made a lot of rules with this platform that I think are pretty arbitrary, and[I]feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Jobs invented The same iPhone, 20 years later, they’re just sitting on it.

Zuckerberg added that he believes iPhone sales are struggling because consumers are taking longer to upgrade their phones because new models aren’t much of an improvement over previous iterations.

“So how do they make more money as a company? Well, they do it basically by squeezing talent, like you said, by getting you to buy more peripherals and other To impose a 30% tax on developers. “You know, they make things like Air Pods, which is cool, but they completely undermine the ability of other people to make something that can connect to an iPhone in the same way. “

Zuckerberg said Apple defended itself by saying it didn’t want to infringe on consumers’ privacy and security to avoid backlash from other companies. But he said the problem would be solved if Apple fixed its protocols, such as building better security and using encryption.

“It’s insecure because you didn’t build any security into it. And then you’re now using that as a reason why only your product can connect in a simple way,” Zuckerberg said.

Zuckerberg said Meta’s profits would double if Apple stopped applying its “random rules.”

He also criticized Apple’s Vision Pro headphones, which have had disappointing sales in the United States. Meta sells its own virtual headset, called Meta Quest.

“I think Vision Pro is one of the biggest shifts in new things they’ve tried in a while,” Zuckerberg said. “I don’t want to give them too much time because we did a lot of things and the first version didn’t It’s not that good, you want to judge the third version, but I mean, it definitely didn’t work out.”

“I’ve heard it’s great for watching movies,” he added.

Apple did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment.

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